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A Discussion: ¿A dónde vas? or Quo Vadis?

This is our 42 thread – remember Douglas Adams and the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy:  Where the Deep Thought computer went away for millions of years to calculate the answer to the question of the meaning of life, the universe and everything.

More updates coming after this day that they call Christmas in certain spheres and is supposed to be a day of joyful celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.  In other spheres it is not that.  Cctv broadcast this movie at Christmas eve:  Korean war: December 24, 1950, is the “Christmas Eve” that belongs to the Chinese people. This is the “Victory Night” of the Volunteer army.

I consider this discussion one of civilizational and personal emotional and heart based questions.  But a heart without a head does not beat.  So, let’s try to understand some stuff in both the emotional as well as the reasoning spheres.  Questions or statements that I picked up, but it may not be all of them as this is top of the head stuff:

  • The SMO in Ukraine is a red herring
  • Let’s grow some food (my favorite thing!)
  • Let’s pay attention and ‘hear’ one another and let me add something there from me … Let’s be kind!
  • Some are expecting border closures in the EU
  • The jabs
  • How to move or exfiltrate

That is about it – feel free to add if I’ve missed something.

There are different ways of reasoning.  In general, there are two main methods.

The one is inductive reasoning and the other is deductive reasoning.  These are both linear approaches.

So, inductive reasoning is when one takes a whole bunch of obervations and from that, infer or posit a general principle.  (This is how I eventually came to understand the SMO, as a war of attrition).

Deductive is the opposite – one works from a stated general principle and then you fit the detail around that.  Should the main premise be true, the detail should fit.

Then, from the old days of Aristotle, we get first principle reasoning.  The idea is to break down complicated problems into basic elements and then reassemble them from the ground up.  This is a non-linear approach and generally consider as a creative path to solutions.

All of these issues are complicated issues and I expect we will need all kinds of reasoning.

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archeon
archeon
1 month ago

Aramynth, I agree, learn about seeds and soil, even growing flowers will give skills you need to grow food. If you live in a Western town or city think of all those on either side in Ukraine who have to leave their homes and find refuge. If this war expands… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

There is already a flood of people to MX and to states like FL, likely for the ability to grow food year round, either by self or by others. One thought i had is that people can trade in their cars for vans. Now you will have both shelter and… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

Ama, how long did it take u to learn Spanish?

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  archeon

Re “Well in advance.” I think we r already running late, Archeon. I wish that I had my present day understandings 2y ago. Im thinking we got ~6mo window. That is enuf time to pack some bags but if u got a hse2sell, u may be outta luck.

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago

Here are some concerning quotes. I neglected to note the source. 1. “Now France has found another way to achieve their Agenda 2030 goals. This time by banning short haul flights. France’s Climate Laws want to stop flights between cities where there are train journeys that take less than two… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Great job. Very helpful. But why cant one carry some cash? Do they search you?

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

I have not flown since the 1990’s and have never been out of this country. So your pist here was a real eye opener.

Question: What about crossing the mx border with car? Suppose u have boxes and u moving there. Will they let you pass?

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Wow, what a speech! Thk u 4the long quote. What a statesman! Let me clarify what i meant when i used the term, ‘red herring.’ In logic, there are a list of fallacies (errors in reasoning) that, if taken, lead one to draw incorrect conclusions. In logic, it is all… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Just a note to thank you for your kindness to offer some thoughtful guidance. Most likely i won’t make it out of here (not enuf time and resources) but i will check things out and the guidance will help others as well.

QC?
QC?
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

if I eat one small bowl of rice per day, I have stocked up 20yrs of food 😛 then I just need clean water and preferably electricity … but not necessary – just soak the rice (raw) in clean water overnight, it will turn soft, its edible 🙂 better than… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  QC?

QC, what did u nean when you said, “i dont think USA can last that long… something has to happen… now that they openly want to jail OM!”

I cant figure out who is OM. Do u mean Trmp?

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

Oh, and btw, QC, your idea of soaking rice overnite in water is brilliant! Thk u.

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Yes, as you say, most of the problems that i focus on “exist in the collective west.” I focus on them because that is where i live currently, where i have lived my entire life; because things are quite different here (from where you are and from the country that… Read more »

Sudhi
Sudhi
1 month ago

Excerpt from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy : For instance, a race of hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings once built themselves a gigantic supercomputer called Deep Thought to calculate once and for all the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. For seven and a half million… Read more »

AHH
AHH
1 month ago

South, you are right and wrong. Yes the Ukraine war is a red herring – an Imperial Op rolled out seamlessly after covid petered out, to focus the world’s attention in the war fear porn of the Damocles’ Sword of Armageddon they hang over us all. We have all been… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

You have totally missed the point. You have created a strawman argument. I never made or said or did the things you claim. The proof is in the record. And just because i have some general respect for marty armstrong, it does not mean that i did or would do… Read more »

AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

South how is it a strawman?! Would I bother responding to you if considered you to “not have a brain in your head?” You stated above “The ukr matter is a red herring. It is distracting our attention from what they are doing in a different area. To save our… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

I will ans bientot

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

1. I said, “The ukr matter is a red herring. It is distracting our attention from what they are doing in a different area…” What that sentence means is that to keep people from looking at what they are doing in a different area, viz., the areas of (a) the… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

9. I had posted evidence that the Brazil election win by Lula was rigged to ouster bolso. A long discussion ensued between me & Col. He kept challenging me on my alleged “belief” that bolso was better. I kept telling him that he had missed my point and offered to… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

Now that I have reread what i wrote, i see that it just does not matter. I no longer feel that i am a respected or valued member of this community. I am not going to keep knocking at a door where no one is home.

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AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

South, in mid-October I wasn’t monitoring this site as carefully. Remember it takes time to grow and establish a new site. I don’t even remember reading your piece. Can you link it.  Please do not assume if no one responds no one read it or doesn’t care. Most are passive… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

Again, you attribute to me views that i do not espouse. “I feel you do not sufficiently appreciate how paradigm-changing the SMO is to future human civilization itself!” Any inference from silence is without basis or justification and, at best, is a non sequitur. You have done this numerous times… Read more »

SoUtH
SoUtH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

And just in case you were not able to gather my precise point, i will state it in two sentences: 1. I have no problem whatsoever being corrected when i have made a mistake or argued a wrong position. (I welcome same because it is how one learns.) 2. My… Read more »

AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  SoUtH

South, This is taking a bizarre turn, into unnecessary psychoanalysis and ad hominem. I am not pulling things out of my ass. You have left enough clues in your comments for me to say what I said. I am not patronizing you, so why the insistent indignation? And I am… Read more »

Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

By the way, South, I found your research abilities and detailed arguments very educational, although I did not agree with some of your implied conclusions. But I do feel, as you implied, that Lula did rig his win, but that is just my feeling. Thanks to Amarynth’s site, we have… Read more »

Anil
Anil
1 month ago

By the way, AHH, in a comment to your travelogue, you brought up an interesting nugget about the concoction for treating a cold: turmeric and black pepper heated in milk. I am familiar with some Ayurvedic concoctions from South India, but this was new to me. I suspect this was… Read more »

AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  Anil

Yes Anil, almost certainly so. There has been bidirectional travel by both business communities for several millennia. As you know turmeric is native to India. In Yemen, it is now a common and prized therapy as well as spice (loved with rice). I used it on myself for several head… Read more »

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AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Thx, I was following someone’s recipe (who may have been over enthusiastic).. I almost peed myself and regretted my birth! But it really did the job and knocked out the cold. I will try less black pepper. My mother recommended I get the real cinnamon from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) or… Read more »

Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

AHH, I appreciate you were reporting diligently what you saw and heard. I have no qualifications to dispense medical advice, Ayurvedic or otherwise, but I understood from an Ayurvedic doctor in Cochin, about 40 years ago, that milk, when one is sick, should be avoided, since it is “mucous forming”,… Read more »

Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Wow, I admire very much your quick thinking and action, Amarynth, so glad it got resolved. I am beginning to think between your background, AHH’s know-how, and maybe Col and others, there is enough knowledge base here to start a permanent section on non-traditional health practices and solutions. If it… Read more »

Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  Anil

Oh, AHH, I just heard this weird gravelly voice in the back of my head:
“Relax, ” said the night man
“We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave”!

AHH
AHH
1 month ago
Reply to  Anil

Yes Anil, thinking of precisely that song. How apt is it that it was sung by “The Eagles?” There are layers to that song. Many analyzed its ambiguity already. It appears a satanic mockery of those captured by some device of hook — they invariably obtain kompromat on those who… Read more »

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Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  AHH

Very nice analysis in that link.
I feel the song, like all good poems, attempts to reach something that words cannot reach. But gets close.

Anil
Anil
1 month ago
Reply to  amarynth

Food as a healing modality is an awesome subject.
But I realize you have a lot on your plate, and I don’t mean food!